So making that distinction at the very least is crucial, and very few people make it. Politics itself gets caught between these two and does not make a distinction between getting free of religion or not but if we are transrational, we want politics to incorporate it because those are the highest levels of development, and, therefore, higher levels of cognition and love and compassion and care. It has nothing to do with some narrative you have to believe or some story they told you about but with an actual technology of the next level of consciousness being the leading source of human liberation. But they throw out the baby with the bathwater overlooking transrational spirituality.
This is probably the most divisive force in the world today and is why liberals are anti-religion altogether. Even now we still see almost every terrorist in the world today having a fundamentalist religious belief of mythic, amber, conformist level whether it is Buddhists putting sarin gas in the Tokyo subway, Sikh separatists, Al Qaeda, or Baptists blowing up abortion clinics. Voltaire’s battle cry remembered the cruelty that Catholics had inflicted in the name of God. The first is mythic, prerational, fundamentalist, and it is exactly what the Enlightenment was trying to overcome. These are two very different types of religious engagements. Ken: Prerational religion and transrational religion. Raquel: How do you see the development of religion and spirituality and what is the Relationship you find with politics? It is kind of disturbing, as I do not have a lot of energy to keep on writing, which is what I would like to do. I just have flare ups, and believe me it is not nice. The good news is that I have not had another big one. Ken: Well, I do not really feel very well, as I am still under the after waves of the seizure I had. Raquel: First of all tell us about your health. Torrent, in conjunction with the Spanish Integral Association, prepared the interview questions. Raquel Torrent, founder and former President of the Spanish Integral Association (2005) and founder of the Spanish Integral Conferences (continuing from 2003), visited Ken Wilber at his home in Denver, Colorado, USA. Ken Wilber, American philosopher, has been a prolific writer and contributor of Integral Theory in relation to self development and application across all domains of human activity.
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